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IVF treatment for older mothers

by Toni (Mon Jan 18, 2010)
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The London Women's Clinic, a private clinic in London, is to allow 59-year-old Susan Tollefsen to undergo IVF treatment. Mrs. Tollefsen already has a 2-year-old daughter and describes herself as 'full of life.' Naturally, this has caused much debate about the ethics and even the legality of providing IVF treatment to such an 'old' patient. (The legal doubt because Section 13 (5) of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act, prohibits IVF treatment unless account has been taken of the welfare of any child who may be born as a result of the treatment.)

I know that there are many arguments in favour of older women conceiving, especially since few question an older man's right to father a child. However, given that most older fathers can still come up with the goods (ie. sperm), there's not a lot we can do about it apart from considering 'bedroom police.' As it happens though, many of the arguments against older parenting would include dads as well as mums.

For example, is it fair to children that they'll live most of their lives without that parent? As someone who lost her 50-year-old father at the age of 20, it's been hard not to have him around to see my family. I know we can lose anyone at any time, but with a 60-year-old mother or a 70-year-old father, you're pretty much guaranteed the loss as a young adult.
 
And what about the psychological welfare of the children? I know several families where the 70-odd-year-old father has started to have health problems, leaving the young children constantly worrying that they are about to lose him.
 
There is also the problem of who will foot future bills if the children are left orphans. What if one or both parents become too infirm to care for the children and the children are still too young to care for them?
 
And is it fair that the children might be caring for their elderly parents perhaps before they even finish college? It's hard enough doing this in your 40's, 50's and 60's.
 
So if this private clinic is the only place in the UK where women over fifty can go for IVF treatment (ka-ching) is there a conflict of interests in their decision-making process?
 
As someone who had her first baby at 31, and her last at 41, I don't care how 'full of life' you feel, the older you get the harder it is physically. I joke that my little guy gets more of my time, but it's really because once I get down on the floor to play with him, it's too much effort to keep getting up!

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Posted Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 11:11 pm Reply Delete
I see alot of people who should never have been allowed to be parents in their twenties or younger. So to me age is not really a factor, it's much more about suitability. As for the loss at an early age, I certainly see the arguments value, but we can all go anytime! Now the being too tired I can definitely understand!Report Abuse
1 reply, Last reply by Toni on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 4:02 am
Posted Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 4:02 am Reply Delete
@Brit Gal Sarah: Like I said with older men who are still producing sperm, there's not a lot we can do about that, and indeed, should we even judge given that it's "natural". But when a body isn't capable of producing eggs to perhaps give rise to an embryo, that is an indication of "time to stop". Then you can start to add the other factors in.Report Abuse
45 year old mom
Posted Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 5:03 pm Reply Delete
I gave birth to my only child when I was 35. One child is enough to handle (though I love her to death, she can be a handful) at any age. At 59...that's just a nightmare come trueReport Abuse
1 reply, Last reply by Toni on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 3:59 am
Posted Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 3:59 am Reply Delete
@Noname: Amen.Report Abuse
better way
Posted Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 7:51 pm Reply Delete
There's a better way to have a child at her age; it's called adoptionReport Abuse
1 reply, Last reply by Toni on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 3:59 am
Posted Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 3:59 am Reply Delete
@Noname: But all the same arguments against would apply - that's why most adoption agencies won't even consider it.Report Abuse
Posted Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 8:19 pm Reply Delete
I think, you can never say when your time is up. A child could still be orphaned at an early age with young parents. Who knows what is in store for us. People today are much fitter and healthier into much later years, my parents are in their 70's and are very active, you'd hardly believe their age. When you see some children also, who's mothers may be young, but are abused, or neglected. Who are we to say that with an elder parent, even if they only have 20/25 years with their child, those years won't be filled with love and care. Something alot of children unfortunately don't get.Report Abuse
1 reply, Last reply by Toni on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 3:58 am
Posted Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 3:58 am Reply Delete
@Razville: In terms of reproduction - presumably your time is up when your body stops being able to reproduce. As for being orphaned at any age - that's my point, you can go at any time, but with one or two older parents, it's guaranteed that the kids will be fairly young, if not too young when the parents "go". My mother is a very fit and active 71 year old. Would that have made it OK for her to bear another child at 60? Absolutely not. She would be the mother of an 11 year old. Ridiculous. And the argument that a few years of being loved is better than a lifetime of being abused isn't even a comparison of apples to apples, as they say in the US.Report Abuse
Jamie
Posted Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 10:21 pm Reply Delete
My mom was 50 when she had me and she died when I was 20. It was very sad especially I saw many other families whose moms were young and healthy. Honestly this woman should think of this before she wants to have a second child.Report Abuse
Old Man Jimmy
Posted Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 5:52 pm Reply Delete
I'm glad I'm not her husband.Report Abuse
Helen
Posted Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 3:42 pm Reply Delete
It does seem in these cases that the desires of the woman to be a parent are considered of greater importance than the welfare of the child.Report Abuse
Posted Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 3:32 pm Reply Delete
In theory I could still conceive - at 55 and the thought makes me scream. I really don't think IVF at 50+is wise. Would you want to be age 70 when your child is 20? Sure, men can father children until old age BUT these kids usually have young mothers so at least one parent stands a chance of living until they grow up. These children born to older mothers do not ususlly have young dads, so not only do they get old parent/s (several women undergoing this have been single) they get a deranged parent - one who is nuts enough to want to do this. If a woman in her 50s conceives naturally it's another matter but she still has a lot of things to consider about the welfare of her child. It's not something I would welcome on many counts.Report Abuse

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